How to Mud and Tape A Recess Drywall

Phil and John walk you through doing a recess and other things to watch for when dry-walling. Tips and tricks from two experienced drywall finishers. Little things when finishing that can easily trip you up.

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00:00 Follow along with a handyman
00:11 Showing where the recess in the drywall is
00:28 You have to have mud under the tape filling the recess or tape won’t hold
00:44 Only need a 6″ blade for recess
01:08 Pushing the tape into the mud, tear off with your knife
01:18 Goal is to get the area flat
01:40 You do the butts (baster joints), flats, then angles, and why in that order
03:00 Only way to learn drywall is by doing it. You can get some from the video, but have to do it
03:27 Forgive yourself when you make mistakes
03:40 constantly want to clean drywall knife and pan
04:00 Doing the corner-put mud on with one side of knife
04:25 Tape comes with a seam you use for your corners
04:50 Goal of drywall finishing is to make it as flat as possible
05:22 How to finish with minimal sanding needed
06:15 Do not want to sand the paper, sand where mud is
07:22 Why does a 6″ knife have a hammer handle?
07:55 Screws vs Nails
10:00 Why you hang ceilings first
10:35 Why you want to have plenty of mud under your tape
12:09 Be an American not American’t

0:13
Actually have drywall smaller bumps the factory edge then you fill in the recess put tape on, you have to have mud underneath that tape or that tape will not stick generally you don’t need more than a six inch bed in order to put mud in that. I’ll show you why it’s usually 4 inches See that you want to make sure you have plenty. I just put the tape on here very close wiping that tape into the mud and pushing it in again. And he just tear it off with your knife holding place. wiping it down into our goal is is this to be flat, or as flat or as flat as possible it’s gonna be a little bit flat. Alright, that is a flat the way I was taught i don’t know about you John I was taught butts flats angles

1:36
were done. butts first. Here’s why. Because when you put your tape up here for you, but but then that resists and then when you put this tape over is lower. And if you tape over and it sticks up a little bit above, it’s a little bit hard to spot. So we’re always that’s always cut it right, even with a recess till the end of this

1:59
is generally the way to do it. Now you can change it up and do this where you want to, but that’s a good idea. Here’s your butt joints where you have two cut pieces butting against each other. It’s the finisher that one of the many finishers that taught me. He didn’t call them butt joints he called them bastard joints, that’s a bastard joint that’s what i call them to. Because they didn’t they don’t marry that they’re there. they don’t kgo good I don’t, you’re going to end up having one side higher generally. So it’s usually do your butt joints which is to cut pieces put together. Then your flats which is your recesses. And then your angles and your angles are in the corner

2:50
generally you can do all of this with regular tape. And believe me, there’s a lot of things you’re not going to learn about watching the video you’re going to have to do it. It’s not like riding a bicycle. It takes years I tell you this, I don’t know how many times I’ve had people that I work for said hey, why don’t you take him with you. So he can learn how to do finishing. I was like, Okay, he’s gonna learn how to finish what took me years to learn be good at, he’s gonna learn in two days, it makes me one Dumb, dumb guy. You have to it takes time, forgive yourself. When you make mistakes, you’re gonna have to pull that excess mud off your going to constantly clean your knife, if you lost your he’s constantly wiping both sides, that knife, it’s constantly pull it off. Now if you don’t want every time you put that on there, you’re going to leave some residue. And I’m going to tell you, I’m going to see it I can hear somebody else. He’s doing the corner there. Now he’s putting it on with on one side of his knife, you see that? Push it over into the corner, putting it in that side so you can use it. Now that takes time to get used to your pain and your angles. You don’t have to do that you can do full out wide flat man. The corner type comes with a little seam and you got to do this wiper

4:28
workflow. He’s holding it in there. To do the same thing with your hands he’s doing push it all the way in.

4:44
If you have a crack on one side of there, that’s besides about now so you’re not forgetting

4:50
to keep the corner straight. You want to keep it flat as possible. That’s our goal with finish is not necessarily just to do it is to make as flat as possible, that’s what your goal is. He’s wiping that. That is an angle, now he makes it look a little easier than it actually is gonna take you a while to get where you can be. He’s wanting, this is the wrong way to do this. That is wrong, that you can do that. But it’s gonna be a lot of work. Here, if you ever have to sand, and by the way, when you first start out, you’re sanding, Oh, yeah, you’re gonna have to go like this.

5:41
What you do, what you do is you put a six on there and you put another six on there and be fine with. , you get eight. Yeah. And what did I do is it’ll make it wider, and you can feather it off. And you do, it’s just kind of like a on and off so you don’t have to

5:56
sing. And you can’t tell where each one is. Now here’s the deal. In commercial before you didn’t have any texture. If you sand this paper, accidentally, when they paint it, it’ll stand up. You do not want to sand the paper, you only want to sand the mud. So this right here is a guy that’s too short, putting the screws up there, he’s a little Mexican is that when you got this, you get this quick sound. See that line, you might have a screw head that is you got to get that down. he’s not reaching up.he ain’t tall enough

6:37
A lot of times john and i are talking about it all the time, I’ll do the pulling the screws out thinking they’re doing us a favor. They’re not doing any favors so I spend less energy if they just left it in and hammered it in because then we don’t have to deal with the paper standing upWell, it’s very screwdriver in there

7:08
put in there just tpp it inside. Therefore, because if you take it out, there’s a hole all the way through and she never time put that mud in or you push it on my back end or a little bit further. It’s always

7:20
always and papers makes it stand out. And actually if you don’t push it in at all, it ends up making a bump and then you’ll have a line there that’s why i hit it with my hammer right there on it that little shiny metal end and that’s for so you’ll end up today you can take this nail that wasn’t in there and you can put a dimple in it and you can’t do that with screws. you can’t do it with screws.

7:57
Yeah, nails more by john.

8:00
JOHN likes nails. Yeah.

8:02
No, I don’t want nails. But it’s a pain in the butt to drag a cord around in the house and screw all of it and you got the cord me and I’m like really good. And you got one hand here.

8:19
I’m gonna move on hand you take a nail stick and hit it you can’t do that with the screws.

8:24
Not being where needs to be you ain’t got enough hands and arms to hold it in order to push it where it needs to be

8:30
well now a finisher generally likes screws better because it leaves less of a depth.

8:37
Well if you got six inch now you got to hold on to that little big circle and no worse than that little baby little babies.

8:45
Okay, but he knows he’s been there a long time. Is his love of doing it. Well when I when I started and you wouldn’t even even dream and there wasn’t no routers, no. Yeah, right. You had to reach down what you had to and Mark beside the box and then reach down and measure it and cutt it out with a keyhole saw. That’s what we did and you still reverse the 10 or 15 years often. When your timing is much has been happening, we got routers. Wait hang a hundred Hundred sheets a day without routers and then go jump in the lake

9:32
Well when we got routers and stuff man the guy with 100 sheets and it made us a whole lot faster.

9:42
He and I were making 25 bucks an hour 25 years ago. It customers that long ago. You start early in the morning before before it gets hot and when and

9:55
when it gets dark. You Cuz you had to mark the wood Yeah. Oh definitely in summertime, you definitely now in the winter time Important, but it wasn’t as important by the summertime when it was 100 degrees. When you get to that last room hanging the ciling at 10 o’clock was cooking. It’s 150 degrees Rolling out of that attic

10:19
So you get all ceilings done not good You learn. But you ceilings are the first things you want to hang anyway? yea because your walls go up against it. If you look here at this house, it hasn’t been air conditioned in a long time. And you see, this is probably the same problem. Not very much mud underneath. Whatever they push too hard and wipe that tape flat as they could they pushed all almost all the mud out. Yeah, wait,

10:52
you put too much pressure on you push all the mud out you got no mud to hold it. You’re going to get flat, and then you get a little bit of humidity in the house.

11:01
It’s gonna start ripping, it’s gonna start it’ll start, start at the butt joint and then it’ll eventually just keep going.

11:11
So it’s really important. And you will know when if you don’t get enough mud or if you don’t get any mud underneath that tape. When you go to put more mud on it, it will blister out Well, when you put the mud on there, the blister will bubble through the mud. Usually, if you’re a finisher, you’ll know that what I’m telling you it’s important to get mud underneath that tape the only reason this has stayed on as good as it has is because it so get mud underneath your tape and then you can push out what is excess. Now there’s a lot more fun on the way but I’m trying to help you get understand what you’re going to be. So keep the mud underneath the tape and you can have excess and wipe it off.

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